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"Hi to all you Map lovers!

You've spent plenty of time & energy designing and tweaking
your material, then comes the on-line presentation.

Make it sweet & simple for your clients to pick and choose all
the formats they may need:

[url="http://"http://www.stavanger-guide.no/gettingtostavanger.htm"]http://www.stavanger-guide.no/gettingtostavanger.htm[/url]

This one is public domain so there's no need for user/pass,
but you'll get a rough idea here. No need for flashterbation and
all the pinball paraphernalia, it's your map work that makes the
impression.

Keep it neat!
Keep it simple!
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It would be nice to have the file sizes below the filetypes. Perhaps offering several diffirent resolutions as options...

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It would be nice to have the file sizes below the filetypes.  Perhaps offering several diffirent resolutions as options...

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Hi,

File size info on 'mouse over' as 'alt' text, but as you say they could also be
specified on the web page.

kps "

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Would this be for final delivery or review?
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Would this be for final delivery or review?

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Hi,

Can be both.

Most clients like a sneak preview of how the work is progressing.
Sometimes the client has other partners who need access to
the material as well.

You all know what it's like when you receive one of those emergency
calls from a client asking for a different format because one of their
partners can't open a document.

All my clients get their own webpage, then they can pick and choose
whatever or whenever they want, leaving me to get on with what I
want to do; designing, not wet nursing.

As I mentioned before access codes need to be in place for sensitive
material, but apart from that, let your clients have some fun.

Here are a few simple examples of client WebPages:

[url="http://"http://www.stavanger-guide.no/environment.htm"]http://www.stavanger-guide.no/environment.htm[/url]
[url="http://"http://www.stavanger-guide.no/2008.htm"]http://www.stavanger-guide.no/2008.htm[/url]
[url="http://"http://www.stavanger-guide.no/pages/stavanger_parkering.htm"]http://www.stavanger-guide.no/pages/stavanger_parkering.htm[/url]

Be sure and check out the P-General Public Map.

Take care and keep that work rolling out!

kps




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"I have a ""final save"" script in Illy that exports a file as eps, ai and jpg and creates a backup -- quite convenient and handy.

Btw, for final delivery, I think you should consider adding a link to download everything in one big archive. "
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Another
great option would be to ingretate this type of product delivery into a
secure online project collaberation system (like Basecamp), where
clients could post requests, view mock-ups, and grab finished products
in a wide variety of formats like you have done. It would also be handy
for team projects.



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"kps,

One
quick question: When you are putting your .eps and .psd files out there
on the 'net, are you worrying at all about people stealing your work?
Even within password-protected directories of a web site, it doesn't
take too much effort for someone to hack-into those directories and
copy whatever they want. :( Also, on ""drawn"" imagery, is there really a
need to place both .gif and 8-bit .png versions of the graphics online
for people to download? I try to generally discourage the use of .gif
(and .jpg) for drawn imagery when I can, as .png files will load 30-60
percent faster with little/no image degradation.

I would also
argue that .jpg is unnecessary for drawn imagery as well, if not for
the potential dynamic introduction of those graphics into Flash (.png
and Flash do not play nice together related to dynamic file
introduction).

Just a few more thoughts I had after looking
through some of the links you have provided in this thread, as we can
hopefully educate our clients on correct/optimal file extensions rather
than clients simply saying ""send me the .jpgs"" and us complying! Hope
that helps.

Derek "
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(.png and Flash do not play nice together related to dynamic file introduction).


Derek,
I'm not sure I follow you on this one. Can you help me out? "



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Derek,
I'm not sure I follow you on this one. Can you help me out?


Erin,

An example of this situation can be found at: [url="http://"http://www.mapformation.com/aboutus/clients/clients.html"]http://www.mapformation.com/aboutus/clients/clients.html[/url]

On
that page, click on Pennsylvania. Then select the University of
Pittsburgh at Bradford. Within the information that opens, you should
see a ""View Image"" area with a series of red numbers in them. Hovering
over the numbers will cause different corresponding thumbnail graphics
to appear.

That effect uses a combination of Flash, XML and
javascript. Outside of Flash, that type of dynamic introduction of a
graphical file would be fine as a .png. However, inside of Flash, it
doesn't work properly unless the graphics are in .jpg format. VERY
lame....something I've been complaining to Macromedia (and now Adobe)
about for years. For the time being though, we're stuck using either
.jpg images or saving the graphics as an .swf. :(

Not sure if
that explains my original meaning well-enough, but I thought a live
example to reference the problem might be useful.

Derek
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kps,

One 
quick question: When you are putting your .eps and .psd files out there 
on the 'net, are you worrying at all about people stealing your 
work?  Even within password-protected directories of a web site, 
it doesn't take too much effort for someone to hack-into those 
directories and copy whatever they want.  :(  Also, on 
""drawn"" imagery, is there really a need to place both .gif and 8-bit 
.png versions of the graphics online for people to download?  I 
try to generally discourage the use of .gif (and .jpg) for drawn 
imagery when I can, as .png files will load 30-60 percent faster with 
little/no image degradation. 

I would also argue that 
.jpg is unnecessary for drawn imagery as well, if not for the potential 
dynamic introduction of those graphics into Flash (.png and Flash do 
not play nice together related to dynamic file introduction).

Just 
a few more thoughts I had after looking through some of the links you 
have provided in this thread, as we can hopefully educate our clients 
on correct/optimal file extensions rather than clients simply saying 
""send me the .jpgs"" and us complying!  Hope that helps.

Derek

http://


Hi & thanks Derek,

All valid points!

Some
of my clients are still playing their first game of windows solitaire,
can’t expect to much from them! They want a particular format, I try
to advise, but I only advise once, if they don’t listen, then they
get what they ask for! Things don’t move as quickly here in Norway as
they do in the States.

Thieving?
Well, some of my sensitive material is on https, you’re welcome to crack it if you want.
Norway
is a transparent country with an extremely low population, its easy to
see who is utilizing the maps. Apart from that, most of the material I
produce is so low-grade that if anyone outside of Norway wants to
utilize it, well, that would be a compliment!

Remember, there’s a lighter side to life as well.
Monty Python got it right:
“Always look on the bright side of life..dudu..dudu..dudu..dudududu”

Keep your chin up, and keep that material rolling out!
Output, output, output, that’s what its all about.

kps

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Thieving?
Well, some of my sensitive material is on https, you’re welcome to crack it if you want.
Norway 
is a transparent country with an extremely low population, its easy to 
see who is utilizing the maps. Apart from that, most of the material I 
produce is so low-grade that if anyone outside of Norway wants to 
utilize it, well, that would be a compliment!


kps,

Love
the Monty Python reference! If anyone ever tries to steal your design
work, you could just have a little reading from the ""Book of Armaments""
(a la The Holy Hand Grenade from Monty Python: The Holy Grail). :lol:

Related
to stealing, even https: isn't fool-proof. I wish there was the
""perfect"" security system out there for moving data around the 'net,
but I haven't found it as of yet. For some of our more requested
materials, I end up giving a lot of them away for free to end-users in
.pdf form (without most/all of the editing capabilities being
preserved...so it will at least make it painful/tedious for someone to
take our work, make 2-3 changes and call it their own). However, I
never generally will put .ai, .cdr, .eps, .psd, etc. files on the
web...as they can occasionally ""sprout legs"" and walk off somewhere
that they don't belong.

One other favorite ""Holy Grail"" reference, just because I cannot resist: ""Some call me..................Tim?!"" :lol:

Derek "
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One 
other favorite ""Holy Grail"" reference, just because I cannot resist: 
""Some call me..................Tim?!""    :lol:

Derek

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All fabulous stuff Derek,

The insanity that keeps us all smiling and retains our sanity!

Absolute magic.

kps
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Some
of my clients prefer I send them a PowerPoint with the draft/revision
stage maps placed one per slide, especially for projects where there
are multiple maps of the same place/scale but different themes. Just
need to make sure the map/graphics are all placed on the same area of
the slides, so the client can flip through the set and they all line up
one after the other.

(I found some lovely filth over here! :lol: )




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