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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere and missed it (in which case I apologise) but I'm conflicted about whether this will be good for me, but then I don't make a living from mapmaking.  I kind of feel sorry for people who have made bespoke plug-ins etc which might not work if Adobe decide to update on the fly.


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While there may be some benefits to SAS for some users, subscription software that you must pay a monthly fee to use is a huge rip off IMO especially for independent lower level users (which describes a lot of the folks on this forum I think). If this new model means I'll have to pay a $50 monthly fee in order to download and use Illustrator "CC" then I may be facing the end of my career as a freelancer.

 

I'm curious how Avenza will will work with this new model as well.


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Part of my revenue is coming from selling plug-ins to Adobe software (Avenza's MAPublisher and Geographic Imager to be exact) so I'm quite apprehensive about this as well. For my personal use, it looks like I'll need to spend more money to get the same coverage (regularly use Illustrator and Photoshop on 3 different machines)


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I need to upgrade anyways, so I think I'll sign on for the deal at the reduced upgrade rate. For a professional that is upgrading (semi-)regularly this shouldn't be a big change, especially if you are using several of the suite programs.

 

I recently signed on for the Office365 small business program, but that was not a hard decision - that price was much lower - I signed on to get the e-mail service, and I get the whole Microsoft office suite of programs for an annual price lower than my previous e-mail provider... !


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For me it's all about the price, and the price is great at @ £50/month for use every Adobe program including all the creative stuff, PS, Illy, dreamweaver, indesign etc but also acrobat, lightroom etc. The full list of what you get is huge.

 

But I don't want all of those programs. I just want photoshop and it looks like there's currently no option to spend less and have access to only one or some of the Adobe suite. I would be willing to pay about £10/month as a subscription for the latest version of photoshop alone, given how much I use it. I happily pay about the same amount for spotify. I don't want to pay a ton of money for stuff I'm not going to use.

 

So it looks like the statement that Adobe are currently making is: use all of our suite or none of it. I suspect that they are going to see what the take up is on the full suite first and then start releasing cut down options if their business model requires it. I do hate the dishonesty of the way it's rolled out though: 'We love you, our customers we only do what you want to support your creativity etc etc.'  No. You are a business and you are in this to make money. You have no emotional connection to your customers. You the business and we the customers perform a financial transaction in which we each try to maximise the value of that transaction to ourselves.

 

:: Edit :: Just checked the adobe webiste - they do single app plans @ £18/month per application. Still too expensive in my book but much better.


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I used that service for my last contract. I needed Illustrator. 

 

It's not web based. When you subscribe, you download the software on your computer. You can install all the plugins you want, including MaPublisher. Also, you don't have to udpate at every minor changes in the version. It's all up to you. 

 

For me, it was 30$/month for Illustrator, which is okay since I don't need it every month. I just keep that extra charge in mind when making a quote. Of course, if I needed it every time, I could be looking for an "old" hard copy of CS5 to use it many many years! ;)

 

Don't mean I like that thought...



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I used that service for my last contract. I needed Illustrator. 

 

It's not web based. When you subscribe, you download the software on your computer. You can install all the plugins you want, including MaPublisher. Also, you don't have to udpate at every minor changes in the version. It's all up to you. 

 

For me, it was 30$/month for Illustrator, which is okay since I don't need it every month. I just keep that extra charge in mind when making a quote. Of course, if I needed it every time, I could be looking for an "old" hard copy of CS5 to use it many many years! ;)

 

Don't mean I like that thought...

 

Do you need to be currently subscribed to use the software you've downloaded? Or I guess you'd need to remain subscribed for the period of your contract which is a year I think?


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Do you need to be currently subscribed to use the software you've downloaded? Or I guess you'd need to remain subscribed for the period of your contract which is a year I think?

 

I suscribed on a monthly basis. I think the software is checking your license when your online. I downloaded it when I subscribed and it kept working offline after that. I'm guessing that after a month of offline work, it will ask you to connect so it could check again. 

 

If I open it now, it says that I have to buy a subscription.



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Do you need to be currently subscribed to use the software you've downloaded? Or I guess you'd need to remain subscribed for the period of your contract which is a year I think?

 

I suscribed on a monthly basis. I think the software is checking your license when your online. I downloaded it when I subscribed and it kept working offline after that. I'm guessing that after a month of offline work, it will ask you to connect so it could check again. 

 

If I open it now, it says that I have to buy a subscription.

 

Basically holding you hostage, making you re purchase on a yearly basis (if you add up the yearly subscription cost), what you used to be able to run for years without upgrading.

 

I continue to be baffled by why this is a good thing for anyone but Adobe.

 

I know some people upgrade yearly, I suspect most do not. I know some people will suggest adopting a pay as you go approach, re subscribing when ever you need the software, but again I think that's impractical for most users who probably make frequent but not constant use of the software.

 

For me a monthly subscription approach is a total waste of money since I don't make enough to cover that cost from my freelance work with Adobe's software plus MAPublisher maintenance. I'll see where this goes, but it looks dim from what I'm reading.


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I still say Corel Draw kicks Adobe Illustrator's behind for vector mapping up, down, left, right, and sideways (though then you'd need to "slum" on a PC for it to work, I guess).  And Corel PhotoPaint and GIMP does everything I need.  Might not quite be Photoshop!  But I probably haven't used even 50% of Photoshop's full capabilities to this point...because I haven't needed to.

 

Gotta give Adobe their props/due though in a capitalist marketplace.  They built a highly successful business model, drove most of their competition into the sea, and now are trying to cash-in on their position of dominance.  And if folks don't like it?  We either pony-up our money anyway, we get out our violins and play a few slow, sad songs, or we don't run with the "cool kids" anymore (Corel, GIMP, Inkscape, et al).


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I just signed up for the service, with the introductory upgrade price. I was about to upgrade to CS6 anyways, and this way I get access to all the software for a lower price!


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Though I am late on this thread but this is a big expense for freelancers. I purchased Illustrator CS3 seven years years back and it was fine with all cartography jobs. Last year I upgraded to CS6, so in effect I spent around $1000 in eight years which works out just $125 per year, and now with adobe CC I need to shell out $300 in the first year, and then $600 every year, so in seven years I would have paid Adobe $4000. And even after that I do not own the license. If I stop paying, I lose the license.

 

Now at least I own CS6 and I will continue to own it till I do not upgrade. And for cartography there is hardly any requirement of all the fancy new features released every month or even every year. There are some cartographers who even today use CS4 and they are making great maps. So this is a lose-lose situation for freelancers who use just one or two software but for those who use more, it may be advantageous. But I am sure to keep this copy of CS6 with me for years to come, I will not lose it for $300. If for any project I need to use Illustrator CC, I would rather opt for a new license, than surrendering this copy that I own.






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