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Laura Miles

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Hey all, has anybody checked out the new ESRI technical certification? What are your thoughts on it? Seems geared towards 10, which I have no experience with. Do you think this would be valuable to you?

http://training.esri...ation/index.cfm

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Looks like ESRI wants a presence in the GISP certification game. I'm a bit cynical so I see that the first entry under the lowest ESRI cert designation is "Identify the necessary ArcGIS products and/or resources to complete task" which if those resources are not currently in house will need to be purchased so seems like at least partially a way to push products. Not that that's bad thing.

I can see some benefit to this, I know it's hard for me to quantify what I know about GIS and it's also hard to gauge what potential employers expect you to know since they all seem to hope that every entry level GIS candidate knows it all! Certainly looks more promising than the GISP cert.

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Also keep in mind when reviewing this certification, like David has pointed out, that this is software specific and not to be considered a GIS certification.

Whereas GISP is looking at your qualifications from a GIS perspective (best practices, policies/privacy, etc...). The ESRI Certification is going to be a gauge of your understanding of their software within a GIS.

So all in all, it may be GISP that will be the one who considers if the ESRI certification qualifies to get you some GISP points. I believe Pearson VUE will be managing the implementation of this program so can anyone clarify if this qualification would fall under GISP standards for inclusion in your overall assessment? I know GISP only looks at specific accredited institutions...

And yes, for me this would be valuable because after reviewing the curriculum, there are tonnes of material that I would like to go over that these certifications offer, and mostly because 99% of my GIS happens in ArcGIS.

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Here's a good article about it at DirectionsMag:

ESRI Technical Certification article

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They might be trying to copy the Microsoft certification more than GISP. It would be valuable perhaps more for people starting out in GIS as a Technician?

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In 2004 I graduated out of COGS & since then I have been shunned by employers & kept out of the loop even though I'm trying to get my foot in the door. So far the only jobs I have had are retail related positions at the very bottom of the pile. This certification would be great for someone like me trying to keep up to date & enhance my freelance experience as more relevant towards the industry. But it calls for 2.5 years of relevant experience, not freelance experience. Meaning many companies seem to not count freelance as relevant experience & therefore those of us never in the relevant end of the industry are nothing but entry level workers.

ESRI needs to do better then that & have an entry level certification program that will help graduates & freelancers seeking employment to get a job in the field. Otherwise these certification programs serve to give even more of a competitive disadvantage to get a foot into the door for recent grads & GIS Technicians without relevant experience.

Myself I'm interested getting this certification assuming you can get it in Halifax but I do not have ArcGIS 10 & 2.5 years of relevant experience. As for testing many may not pass the test not because they don't know their GIS but for being bad test takers. Perhaps certification could also be reached by alternate means by showing instructors how to do the work by actually doing it instead of writing a multiple choice exam. Of course a total of one or two retakes upon failure would also benefit this situation.

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Hasdrubal, I'm in a similar situation to yours, with only a couple of years experience. I know I'm qualified for the jobs I apply for, but how do I show that to the employer? I find they are often hesitant to even interview a newbie, so this appeals to me because maybe it will show that I am competent. Of course, 25 years of experience speaks for itself and maybe this cert is not appropriate for people who have that.
I just downloaded a 60 day trial of ArcGIS 10, and they have a lot of free training on the ESRI site. The 2.5 years experience is not a requirement to be able to take the test, just the level it's aimed at.
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Hasdrubal, I'm in a similar situation to yours, with only a couple of years experience. I know I'm qualified for the jobs I apply for, but how do I show that to the employer? I find they are often hesitant to even interview a newbie, so this appeals to me because maybe it will show that I am competent. Of course, 25 years of experience speaks for itself and maybe this cert is not appropriate for people who have that.
I just downloaded a 60 day trial of ArcGIS 10, and they have a lot of free training on the ESRI site. The 2.5 years experience is not a requirement to be able to take the test, just the level it's aimed at.
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I'm all for the program it's great for those of us that need the certification but I wonder how much it will help to get a foot in the door. Please don't take me wrong I'm passionate about the field but I'm left thinking how much industry related to GIS really does exist in Canada. It might be my experience because of where I live (Nova Scotia). If you read anything related to the economy in Atlantic Canada then you may have read a few times about the stagnant economy & how the middle class is being regulated to the poor class. I suspect that's happening every where now especially where the economy could go either into a depression or experience a very slow recovery. Point being there isn't really a lot of good jobs even in our true industry "GIS" or "CAD map drafting".

I have applied for countless jobs & I know that my problem is my geography & maybe I shouldn't say this but the location I live at can not handle a GIS firm because there is very little of a market. A clue to a bad market is the indication of income showing that the average of $26,000 for males & about $17000 for females shows a strong retail market, & minor business services as in department stores, restaurant chains, agriculture, and a shrinking manufacturing industry. I think the next census will show a shrinking income bracket as middle income jobs are being outsourced from an already struggling & I mean pre recession struggling economy.

But you know what I only think about myself; if the other people won't do anything it's not my problem & with positive reinforcement I will take the course despite my lack of relevant experience. And since I'm officially under the yoke of social services & being forced to goto the job centre they should help me get this certification since I have skills that many people can only dream about. And thank-you for those skills, thank-you for my numerology of the master number 11 because I am important, & thank-you for my potential income being above for what exists in the local economy. Because at the end of the day in order to work in this industry you have to some sort of higher intelligence.

Okay enough for our superiority even if it's imagined. ;)

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