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Hi All,

Greeting to all carto types from the wilds of Cape Breton!

I've been working on a CB Island elevation\bathymetry map, in Arch D size, but I'm a little unsure if it 's ready for "prime time", so to speak. Ultimately the end product will be plaque mounted and placed on our boardroom wall.

As with anyone who dares darken the door of this portion of the CartoTalk website, I would welcome all critical comments!

I have also placed a higher resolution version at the following location -

http://picasaweb.goo...081635212018290

Thanks in advance!



Jamie Whitters, CPT
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Planning and Development Department
Cape Breton Regional Municipality
320 Esplanade, Room 200
Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Hi Jamie,

Unfortunately the attachment doesn't seem to work, at least not for me. Looking at the one up at Picasa, there's a few comments I'd like to make:
  • Why did you separate the bathymetry legend from the rest of the legend? I'm not saying it's bad per se, but I'm just wondering whether you had a good reason for that
  • I'd show mainland Nova Scotia in a different color than white. Right now, with the light blue to dark blue bathymetry it will come across as very shallow water, which is kinda odd because the lakes there are shown in the proper blue. How about a light grey? Or alternatively, do it in the same colors as the rest of the map but put a transparent white fill on top of it.
  • In the legend I'd just mention "roads" instead of "road centerlines"
  • I'd also try making the blue of the lakes the same color as the shallowest bathymetry class. This will make it look more natural.

Other than that I think it looks good, but it's kinda hard to tell without being able to see the little details :)
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Good start!

The first thing thast struck me (besides the white land) is the arrangement of the map surrounds. They look like they were just thrown on almost randomly. There's no "reading order" or structure to them as a whole.

Then, with hypsometric/bathymetric legends I like to order them so lowest values are lowest in the legend and highest values are highest in the legend. Just seems more natural/intuitive to me. Also, I wouldn't have gaps between the colors in the legend. There aren't gaps between the colors on the map.

(disclaimer - I'm American and I don't use the metric system much and when I do I use the American spelling) But is it "metres" (with an "re") and "kilometers" (with an "er")?
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Hello Jamie,

I also cannot view the attachment, but I did check the map on picas. Congrats on a nice map. I can't see enough to comment on the specifics/details, but overall it has a pleasing feel.

Here are a few things in my opinion that could make it better.

I agree with what Hans said on 2-4. I think the separate legend is a matter of choice and space.
Justification/alignment: Why is your legend not aligned with the title, and why not align your bath/north arrow info. That would do a lot for balance.
Remove the halo from the waterbodies, they are not needed.
I'm not a big fan of arbitrary range-grades.
You have multiple colors for the same values, for example what color is 10 meters?
I think that the water fills are harsh and distracting, and the hue is off on the 200-250 value on the bath.
The county lines are very high in the visual hierarchy, is that you intention (i.e. the most important feature of the land map)?
Finally, what is that island that got clipped near Port Hood? I'm guessing it is not important or a part of Cape Breton.

Overall, like I mentioned before, it is a nice map but with some modification it could be even better. Hope that helps,

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Overall very nice map. I think the others covered most of the most obvious items that stand out to me. Here's a few remaining details:

1)bathymetry color breaks are labeled with each new break beginning with the ending value of the last break (50 - 100 & 100 - 150). not sure how this works for physical breaks like this but it would be incorrect for thematic or statistical breaks. Look into how this is represented on other maps.

2) fragmented county boundary lines. The boundaries probably connect in the open water but you only show partial extents with lines ending abruptly for no obvious reason.

3)Grid labels. It's hard to tell at this resolution but I'm guessing this is UTM? If so I'm not sure it's conventionally labeled (see https://www.e-educat...map_corner.jpg). The label orientation is odd as well. I would either place each coordinate label horizontally in the plane of normal reading, or parallel to the line of its grid line so that reading the label points your eye along the grid path.

4) remove halos where possible, especially the water labels. You might beef up the type size for the atlantic ocean label and stretch it out a long a curved path.

5) the scale and N arrow group is in a busy spot on the map with lots of bathymetry areas behind it. There's a quieter spot just to its right that might work better.

Take all of this with a grain of salt as it's difficult to really be sure of what I'm seeing without a full res version.

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I can't see much at this resolution, but wanted to add that I would change the color of the legend's backround to white. I'm sure it's just personal preference, but the yellow reminds me of an ArcMap default!
Also, agree that the legends could be consolidated and that the water depth gradations could be more subtle.
Otherwise, looks beautiful from what I can see.
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1)bathymetry color breaks are labeled with each new break beginning with the ending value of the last break (50 - 100 & 100 - 150). not sure how this works for physical breaks like this but it would be incorrect for thematic or statistical breaks.


I understand the intellectual point, but I actually find it rather annoying to see statistical breaks of "20,000 to 39,999." It implies a false precision to the data. If you were giving a verbal presentation, you would say "twenty to forty thousand; forty to sixty thousand."
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1)bathymetry color breaks are labeled with each new break beginning with the ending value of the last break (50 - 100 & 100 - 150). not sure how this works for physical breaks like this but it would be incorrect for thematic or statistical breaks.


I understand the intellectual point, but I actually find it rather annoying to see statistical breaks of "20,000 to 39,999." It implies a false precision to the data. If you were giving a verbal presentation, you would say "twenty to forty thousand; forty to sixty thousand."


I agree, that's why I hedged on it by saying I wasn't sure how this works for physical breaks. If I had been at the home office I would of looked around for examples of how other maps handle this. It's one of those things that always comes up with data classifications but in the end I think this does look better.

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1)bathymetry color breaks are labeled with each new break beginning with the ending value of the last break (50 - 100 & 100 - 150). not sure how this works for physical breaks like this but it would be incorrect for thematic or statistical breaks.


I understand the intellectual point, but I actually find it rather annoying to see statistical breaks of "20,000 to 39,999." It implies a false precision to the data. If you were giving a verbal presentation, you would say "twenty to forty thousand; forty to sixty thousand."

Aother way to approach this is to label the breaks rather than the classes (and the upper/lower limits, too if you like, but then I think those should be the actual upper and lower limits within the map's extent). This would have the added advantage of reducing the amount of type in the legend. Also ties in with my previous comment about removing the gaps from the legend because those gaps don't exist on the map. :)
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Jamie,

This is great. will look nice on the wall. I'd add that i don't think you need to state your hillshade parameters in the legend.

nice work.

rj

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Beauty of a map Jamie!!

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I like your map a lot Jamie!

I think I would be inclined to stretch (blur) the bathymetric shades of blue so they blend into each other like the hypsometry seems to (except for highest break at 475m).

Is the Cabot trail all on a road or is there a separate "trail" centerline that you can style as a distinct linear feature? The trail icons work, but at "Picasa resolution"they look a little clunky.

The Regional/County Border looks a little thick on the land, and your map makes them seem very important so you might want to connect them across the water. I wonder what a much thinner dotted/dashed line would look like for all the boundaries?

Also, I always like inset/context maps for islands (even though you have Mainland on there).

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Hello fellow maritime map maker!! are you a COGS grad??

Overall its a very nice map, good job on the color ramp for the land, it works well! However I agree with others about the way it is setup & labeled in the legend, I would put the colors tight together with no gaps, and label it so there is not 2 colors for 1 depth.

As for the bathymetry, I would try and go with a few more graduations, maby 25m instead of 50m, so the blend a bit better. Also, the final ending color is very dark, however I do know it is also very deep water, but that color really pulls your eyes to the top corner, when there is not much of interest up there.

Also, the lake color... maby make it the same as the lowest color in your bathymetry color ramp?.... they look a little odd with the different color.

The mainland Nova Scotia color needs to change to something other then white, maby the same hillshade as the island with a white transparency over it?

And one more comment, the over all look of the map is very "ESRI Like".... maby try playing with some fonts, borders & background colors on your legends... group your surround info differently maby... try and find your own custom north arrow possibly.

but overall, very nice map, and it is going to look great your board room!!

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Hi Folks,

Thanks for all the comments! They are greatly appreciated!

The bathymetry was a late thought, and I should have left it as such! I'll endeavour to incorporate all of the other fine suggestions.

Hopefully I'll be able to refine my ususal "industrial quality" pseudo carto. products into something a bit more presentable in the future, thanks to your comments. Something to strive for :-) I have a copy of Gretechen Peterson's book on the way, so I'm looking forward to some enlightnement from that source, also.

Dan - I am really dating myself here, But I am a grad of the forerunner of COGS (Nova Scotia Land Survey Institute) Planning program, then picked up an Environmental Studies degree from the U of Waterloo. Took a wrong turn at Albuquerque, so to speak, and ended up in Cape Breton of all places, to find employment.

Thanks again to all!

Have a great weekend.


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Jamie, I'd like to get a wall size print of your map for myself. If there's any way we could arrange that please let me know.

Cheers,

Rob




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