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So Adobe is starting to market the CS5 suite - I have seen some cool videos on what might be coming up in PS CS5 - but has anyone heard anything about Illy? I did a quick search on the web, but I didn't find anything too substantial.

I think it is kind of sad to see how Illustrator is not as highly prioritized compared to some of it's siblings in the Adobe family. And it is after all the oldest original Adobe program, and the base on which Adobe was founded! Seems like it is always one or two steps behind e.g. Photoshop, Indesign and Flash.

I am, at least, hoping for a 64-bit version and graphics card accelerated display, and that cool zoom/pan functionality that we have in Photoshop and Indesign.
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I haven't heard anything but we are currently moving our content from Freehand 8 to CS3 . . . too much of a version / software gap to be able to move files over seamlessly. I am thinking that I don't want to be in the position again so am contemplating upgrading this time (without even having heard anything about it). Of course, some version upgrades are more significant than others (think of the change in text engines awhile back). We'll have to wait and see what this brings.

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We are excited about Adobe CS5 release!

We are presently working on CS5 compatible updates to both MAPublisher and Geographic Imager. We hope to have them available as quickly as possible following the official CS5 release.
http://www.avenza.co...unches-april-12

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We are excited about Adobe CS5 release!

We are presently working on CS5 compatible updates to both MAPublisher and Geographic Imager. We hope to have them available as quickly as possible following the official CS5 release.
http://www.avenza.co...unches-april-12

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Question for you Avenza folks - if I am looking to buy Mapublisher before the new release of CS comes out, will I need to purchase a new version of it if I purchase the new release of CS? Or should I wait until I get the new release of CS before buying the new release of MP?

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Question for you Avenza folks - if I am looking to buy Mapublisher before the new release of CS comes out, will I need to purchase a new version of it if I purchase the new release of CS? Or should I wait until I get the new release of CS before buying the new release of MP?
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Rudy, (not from Avenza, but from a user)

As a user of MapPublisher (since version 5) I now pay the annual maintenance fee. Personally I think the investment worth while. One annual fee and no worries about MP upgrades. Unless you need the features in Illy CS5 then i would go with CS4 now, and MP8.2 along an annual maintenance program. On my side I run Illy CS3. (did not find anything in CS4 that would push me to upgrade). As for when a new CS version comes out, there is usually a small waiting period for the compatible version of MP to come out. I think Avenza's MP is a very dynamic software and there upgrades are frequent, so the maintenance program is something you should consider.

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Question for you Avenza folks - if I am looking to buy Mapublisher before the new release of CS comes out, will I need to purchase a new version of it if I purchase the new release of CS? Or should I wait until I get the new release of CS before buying the new release of MP?


Hi, rudy. Thanks for posting a good question.

When you purchase MAPublisher, it comes with MMP (MAPublisher Maintenance Program). MMP is valid for one year from the purchase date and provides 1) free upgrade, 2) unlimited technical support, and 3) any other special privileges (e.g. extra access to Avenza Forum (www.avenza.com/forum): there is one category for those with a valid MMP can access) ) etc etc...

To answer your question, you can purchase any version of MAPublisher. Again, it comes with one year full MMP. When the new version of MAPublisher (compatible with CS5) becomes available, then due to the maintenance program you may upgrade at no charge to the new version of MAPublisher. We will provide the link to download the newest version of MAPublisher to those who have the valid MMP so that they can download, install and enjoy the newest version of MAPublisher :)

The same thing will apply to Geographic Imager as well :)

Thanks!

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Kami - Good that's the answer I wanted to hear.

Unless you need the features in Illy CS5 then i would go with CS4 now, and MP8.2 along an annual maintenance program.

I don't necessarily need the features in CS5 (I have no idea what they are) but I want to avoid being out too many versions just in case there are significant issues upgrading files from version to version. I am making the assumption that there greater the gap between versions, the more likely there will be file upgrade issues. Of course, there could be significant leaps between versions (changing the text engine comes to mind) but those are unavoidable.

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Woot CS5 is coming out, gotta add that to my shopping list. ;)

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As it says on the Adobe site:

Before you get too excited, let’s get one thing straight: This is the unveiling, or basically an introduction to the public. Adobe is going so far as to call it a “launch” day but you will not be able to buy the software that day. Adobe has not announced a release day yet, but October 2010 makes sense to me (just a guess). This would position Adobe for a strong end to the calendar year, it would give them sufficient time to work on it after the April introduction, and it lines up exactly two years after the release of CS4. That said September/November would make just as much sense, and some rumors are putting the date earlier, noting an 18 month release cycle.

Good old marketers at work.

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Lets hope they don't pull a Manifold & delay the product indefinitely & not giving their customers any lee way why they haven't released the product.

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Well the big reveal of CS5 is tomorrow. The only thing I've heard about Illustrator is from a design blog that I follow:

"I’ve also been told by the product Manager for Adobe Illustrator that there will be a “mind blowing” feature coming to Illustrator CS5. And no, I have no inside info as to what that feature is."

So... should be interesting! I'm hoping for spiro splines a la inkscape.

EDIT: Hmm. After looking over the release announcement, there's nothing that I'm super excited about. Maybe as more info comes out... :(

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There are several nice things for artists in general, but cartographer-wise I'm not sure there's a whole lot on the feature list that screams "Map makers will love me".

There is one thing that doesn't really make their highlight reel that anyone who uses a lot of symbols should appreciate. All symbols now have their origin denoted visually. When you mouse over or click on a symbol, you'll see a small cross pattern that indicates where the origin of the symbol is located. Now that by itself would be neat, but not especially useful. Except they have improved the symbol behaviour so that operations like rotate & scaling are no relative to the origin, not the center of the symbol (though there is an option to perform transformations that way on the Transformation panel I believe).

What does this mean for cartographers? It means that you no longer have to do kludgey crap like create invisible portions of symbols so that that 'hot spot' of a symbol corresponds to the center of the symbol's bounds. Now you can just edit the symbol and move the art until the 'hot spot' (origin) is where you want it to be. So if you do a lot of work with directional symbols, your life should be a lot easier now. One of our Support people has a fair bit of experience with nautical maps (S57 I believe in particular) and she was quite happy when I explained to her what this meant. She has a set of nautical directional symbols that she can now simplify my taking out those annoying 'invisible boxes', which will also make the symbols clearer to see in the various GUI panels & dialogs.

They did improve the customization of arrowheads and dashed lines, so that might also be something cartographers find useful. Also, a big focus of the release was trying to make a lot of the hard-to-use tools easier to use, so you might find some things easier to do, though most of the work was done on what I suspect would be 'artistry' tools, so it will depend on what kinds of things you're doing to your maps.

Alas, no 64-bit version this time around. I'd have posted earlier to say so but our NDA didn't expire until today. As far as I know, there aren't any firm plans for a 64-bit version, though we keep telling them we know of a user base that would appreciate one :)
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What does this mean for cartographers? It means that you no longer have to do kludgey crap like create invisible portions of symbols so that that 'hot spot' of a symbol corresponds to the center of the symbol's bounds. Now you can just edit the symbol and move the art until the 'hot spot' (origin) is where you want it to be.


[stands up and does the wave]

I've done an awful lot of work on hydrographic maps as well and would have loved this option when I was doing the symbols...
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Mordy says the best feature in all of CS5 is "variable width strokes."

It would seem that Illustrator now can do tapered streams with aplomb! You can now apply variable widths to either 'side' of a stoke centerline.

You can watch Mordy's AI screencast to see more information. Variable width strokes appears at about 29 min...

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Mordy says the best feature in all of CS5 is "variable width strokes."

It would seem that Illustrator now can do tapered streams with aplomb! You can now apply variable widths to either 'side' of a stoke centerline.

You can watch Mordy's AI screencast to see more information. Variable width strokes appears at about 29 min...


I just did a jig. :D

I will probably upgrade for this feature alone!

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