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Even with the disclaimer, I think that map should *not* have a scalebar and north arrow. Either that or a *much* more strongly worded disclaimer.

Then again, anybody who is serious about hiking in such areas ought to be aware of proper map use <_<
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Any hard requirements for a map and north arrow makes me upset beyond belief!

The important point is to communicate to the audience WHERE this map is, and the relationship to ground. This can be done in several ways, one of them through a north arow, there are other ways.

A scale bar is related but slightly different, and eaisier to justify...
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1. Considering the north arrow is probably the most recognizable map object around, I think they are necessary because they inform the reader of the special geographical content... similar to how grammatical marks convey context in the written word. North arrows are a crucial part of the stage.

<br><br>This leads to one of my pet cartographic peeves - north arrows. Too often they show up on maps where they are only correctly along a single vertical line - think of a map of North America in a Lambert projection. Why even have it, especially when graticules are present? Even without any graticules or grid lines it isn't really necessary, unless the orientation of hte map is anything but north. I wouldn't say that people recognize a map as being a map because a north arrow appears. It may be recognizable but it isn't the first thing that people notice - in fact, it is probably one of the last. As with all things on a map - if it's not needed, don't include it!<br>

<br>Our north arrow is also <a href="http://www.hedbergma...harrow.jpg">our company logo</a>. So even when we do have a <a href="http://www.hedbergma...nt.jpg">clearly conic projection</a>, we kinda gotta put it on there. I wince a little when I end up putting it off on the edge, but, well, there you are. I think this is a challenge for a number of map companies, where the north arrow is essentially an identity mark. <br><br>

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Having a north arrow the doubles as a company logo on the map I can understand (and forgive). Then there are always clients who insist on having one. Strangley, I find Education people want a north arrow on the map as well, to be used as part of their teaching I suppose. That makes sense on one level but on another it doesn't (i.e. when the north arrow is so obviously incorrect for most of hte map). Wouldn't it be more educational not to have a north arrow and then raise the question in class as to why it isn't there? Somehow, that doesn't seem to fly.



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When I do panoramic maps, I often use a 'compass bar' across the top for direction. The scale is suggested by the distances given to features from the viewpoint. For example, see


I really like the grand canyon map overall, but the north arrow and scale bar with disclaimer make little sense to me. Does anyone know who made it?


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I'm with Map Media on this one. Map conventions are on a map by map basis...wait is that a contradiction?

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