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Seeking feedback on a new 18"x48", 1:4000, Central Park Trail Map I am working on.

Because of its size I have attached the SW corner of the map.

Thanks

Marc

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Seeking feedback on a new 18"x48", 1:4000, Central Park Trail Map I am working on.

Because of its size I have attached the SW corner of the map.


Wow... talk about detailed!

One thing I noticed is that you misspelled "perimeter" in the legend.
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Looks good—personally I don't see a need for contours on this, with the tracks there it starts to look really 'noisy'. If uou did get rid of the contours you could then make rock outcrops the brown colour—a bit more symbolic of rocks than red IMO.

Another suggestion would be considering placing the path/walkway names aligned with the paths and as most of the milage I can see seems to be <1mi maybe you should consider other units of measure for this? Yards?

Hope this gives you something to think about—love the scale and detail. Who is the map fro if you don't mind me asking?

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That is very good dharma! A very difficult task to encompass the complexity while keeping the map as a whole 'afloat'. I love NYC maps, and esp. yours since you used building outlines (for urban architecture buffs).

Is the color scheme mailable or set by the client in some way? If not, I could make a few suggestions, biases of course.

Other than that, my overall comment is on the icons. Have you trolled the digital domain for a unique symbol set (i.e. istock.com)? Or create your own in Illustrator? It would really make the map stand out. Especially if you could create a neat rock outcrop symbol instead of the read hash lines. I used to crawl all over those rocks in the Park as a kid, and on the map they seem off limits.

Great work!
Thanks for sharing. Chris

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Looks nice. From a design standpoint, I would just suggest reexamining whether polygons need a stroke or not. I’d use my ground color as the outline of the building footprints, for example. Also, the contours are awfully prominent. I would tone those down a lot.

Nitpicks:

We usually spell it “Bridle Trail.” A “bridal trail” is something else entirely. :)

I think it’s Heckscher Playground. It’s The Promontory. Artisans Gate can do without an apostrophe same as Artists Gate.

I’d use a more New York and less European symbol for a subway entrance. I also tend to think of the buses as being the M10, M5, M7, etc., instead of just the 10, 5, and 7. New Yorkers, what do you say?
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I like the contours, but (1) I want more and (2) I want them lighter. You're already using gray for built environment and paved surface; how about that old fall-back of brown for contours?

Also, I'm surprised not to see wooded/not-wooded delineated. What's lawn and what's shade seems pretty important to me for this park especially.

Overall though, very nice.

Do you know the Greensward Foundation's map? I've long admired its linework.

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I like the contours, but (1) I want more and (2) I want them lighter. You're already using gray for built environment and paved surface; how about that old fall-back of brown for contours?

Also, I'm surprised not to see wooded/not-wooded delineated. What's lawn and what's shade seems pretty important to me for this park especially.

Overall though, very nice.

Do you know the Greensward Foundation's map? I've long admired its linework.


I had not seen the Greensward Parks map before. It is quite beautiful (also). I especially like that it shows the path of former creeks as they flowed into and out of the park. History illustrated!

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Thanks all for the great comments and fresh perspective.

Thank you for the link to the Greensward Park map. I had see it hanging on the wall in Belvedere Castle while we were doing field research but never managed to track down a copy. IT is a beautiful map.

I have been trying to manage the clients objective of creating a "Topographic Recreation Trail Map" for both Visitors and locals alike without being crushed by the detail.

Lightening the contours/Symbol for Rock outcrops with help significantly- Thanks

MapMedia I open to color scheme suggestions esp for Plaza/Sidewalks

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Thanks all for the great comments and fresh perspective.

Thank you for the link to the Greensward Park map. I had see it hanging on the wall in Belvedere Castle while we were doing field research but never managed to track down a copy. IT is a beautiful map.

I have been trying to manage the clients objective of creating a "Topographic Recreation Trail Map" for both Visitors and locals alike without being crushed by the detail.

Lightening the contours/Symbol for Rock outcrops with help significantly- Thanks

MapMedia I open to color scheme suggestions esp for Plaza/Sidewalks


I think the comments have reflected my concerns on colors. Just be sure to keep color and feature as intuitive as possible.
And you might find a color palette that fits the client/map theme here.

Please keep us posted! Chris

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Hey Marc, this looks cool.

As a query: why is Starbucks a green star and all other cafes a black mug.

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[quote name='dharmamaps' date='Jan 30 2008, 10:23 PM' post='15641']
Seeking feedback on a new 18"x48", 1:4000, Central Park Trail Map I am working on.

Finally, a detailed Central Park map! I can't wait.

Here are my tips for creating the best map possible. Obviously a true trail map will need most of it's detail in the northern sections and ramble.


I love the transportation info the way Tauranac maps presents it in the Manhattan block by block and scuplture info.

I love the topography and detail and aesthetic of the Greensward Fdtn map.

I love the handy outcrop symbols and pictorial images of http://www.centralpark2000.com/ map and it's ramble details.

Some other info and detail you could consider adding are;

The Wolman rink becomes The Victoria Gardens Amusement park in the summer.
victoriangardensnyc.com
Victorian Gardens at Wollman Rink - (212) 982-2229

V's for vendors would be nice too.

The Ballfield Cafe phone number is 212-717-5940.

Sheep Meadow Cafe (seasonal)
Inside Central Park near West 69th Street
New York, NY 10023
Tel: 917-270-6554

Sweet Café
Inside the Park at 73rd Street off Fifth Avenue at Conservatory Water
Tel: 212-582-5472
www.sweetconcessions.com

Tavern on the Green
Central Park West at 67th Street
Tel: 212-873-3200
www.tavernonthegreen.com

Leaping Frog cafe at the Zoo.
212-717-8918

Friendly Snack Bar At Meer: E106

Vince & Eddie's America Bistro
70 West 68th Street
between Central Park West and Columbus Avenue
New York, NY 10023
Tel: 212-721-0068

Nectar Coffee Shop
1022 Madison Avenue
and 1090 Madison
New York, NY 10021
(212) 535-4115

Le Pain Quotidien
1131 madison

Trattoria Sambuca. Central Park. 20 W 72nd St New York, NY 10023 212-787-5656

EAT restaurant-1062 Madison Avenue, 212.861.2544

Ferrara Italian Café: merchants gate.

Jackson Hole Diner
1270 Madison Avenue & 91st Street
Tel: 212-427-2820

City Market Café
1100 Madison Avenue
between 82nd & 83rd Streets
New York, NY 10028
Tel: 212-535-2070


Table d'Hôte
44 East 92nd Street
at Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10128
Tel: 212-348-8125

The Carousel is 212-879-0244.
Year round weather permitting.

Time Warner Center shops info is 212-823-6300.

Bike Central Park is 917.371.6267
2 hours - $20 / bike
3 hours - $25 / bike
All day - $40 / bike (9am-6pm)

centralparkbiketour.com (212) 541-8759
SBR Multi-Sports Bike Shop 203 west 58th street, corner of 7th Avenue and 58th Street.

Central Park Wildflower Meadow.

Butterfly Garden.

blades.com
New York 156 West 72nd Street
rollerblade rentals

Central Park Skate Patrol, (212) 439-1234.
Weekend rollerblade lessons. kids free.

thecentralparkboathouse.com
Boat Rental
212-517-4723
$30 cash deposit
$10 p/hr.
4 people maximum per boat
An adult must accompany children under 18
Bike Rental
Weather Permitting
10:00 AM TILL DUSK
Deposit: ID and Credit Card or ID and $200.00 Cash
Rentals
(30) Cruisers $9 per hr /addtl. hr.$5 (5+hrs $45)
(3) Tandem $20 per hr /addtl. hr.$8 (5+hrs $55)
(15) 21 Speed $15 per hr /addtl. hr.$10 (5+hrs $65)
Kids Bike $6 per hr /addtl. hr.$3 (5+hrs $25)
Trailer $6 per hr /addtl. hr.$3 (5+hrs $25)
An adult must accompany children under 14
Bicycle rentals are available for exclusive use within Central Park particularly on the rollPMing six-mile loop shown on the accompanying map. The loop is an active roadway that includes designated running and cycling lanes. The loop is typically closed to vehicular traffic on weekdays from 10am-3pm and all day on weekends. Our selection of the 60 new bicycles include cruisers, 21-speed, children's, trailers, and tandem bicycles.
Availability
March 4 through October 31
Monday - Friday 10AM - 6 PM
Saturday - Sunday 9AM - 6 PM
Rentals on a first-come, first-served basis.
Price includes helmet.
Call (212) 517-2233 for information

Tours:

Wild Man Steve Brill "Eat Wild Foods in Central Park" Tours
(914) 835-2153

birdingbob.com
718-828-8262

Events:
Ofiical Website:www.centralparknyc.org
http://www.summerstage.org/
http://www.cityparksfoundation.org/
http://nycgovparks.o...rks/centralpark

Entry to the Met (212-535-7710) and Natural History Museum is suggested donation.
The Met Museum has a great view from the Roof Garden (seasonal).
No Strollers Sunday in the Met.

The M10 bus goes to Times Square.

The M20 bus goes to Penn Station and Port Authority and Ground Zero.

The West Side YMCA is on 63rd St btween CPW and Columbus av.

Tell when the Park Drives are closed to traffic.

North Meadow Rec Center (212-348-4867) has free field day kits and a cheap rock climbing wall.

The Belvedere Castle Discovery Center
212-772-02100.

The M86 and M79 have mid-park bus stops.

Jekyll & Hyde Restaurant.

Nearby NYC Rec Centers are 54th St btween 1 st and 2nd and 59th st rec enter 10th and 59th.

Rock climbing rocks-
Cat Rock
Rat Rock (aka Umpire Rock)
Tito & Tanya Cave
Wave Rock
Worthless Boulder
Y-CRACK WALL
info:http://www.rockclimbing.com/routes/North_America/United_States/New_York/New_York_City/Central_Park/

City Climbers Club
533 West 59th Street
212-974-2250
Day pass $12

All CP Lamp posts give Cross Steet Numbers.

You need a Lock to use Lasker Pool!
Phone to check General Swim times.
When : Open 7 days a week from 11:00am to 3:00pm, and 4:00pm to 7:00pm from July 1st until Labor Day
Admission: Free
212-534-7639.


Dana Discovery Center gives free bamboo rods and bait for fishing in summer.
(212-860-1370)

Fishing
Fishing is allowed in several of Central Park's water bodies including the Lake, the Pool
and the Harlem Meer. All fishing is on a "catch and release" basis only.


Model Boat Rentals. $10 p/hr.
Location : Conservatory Water, east side between 72nd and 75th Streets
When : Approximately April through October
Bring your own model sail boat, or call Central Park Sailboats at 917-796-1382 for information on model boat sales and rentals. For permits and boat storage call 212-360-8133.

Sledding/Snow boarding
The Best Slopes
Manhattan’s greatest slope is in Central Park at Pilgrim Hill. Enter the park at 72nd Street on the East Side. Runner up: Cedar Hill, also in Central Park, between 76th and 79th Streets.
In (the unlikely) case of a crash Lenox Hill Hospital is the closest ER to Central Park’s Pilgrim Hill (100 E. 77th St., at Park Ave.).

Location: Chess and Checkers House, inside the Park at 65th Street just west of the Dairy, offers 24 outdoor chess and checker tables. A pergola offers plenty of shade.
When: The Chess and Checkers House is open Tuesday through Sunday, 10:00am to 5:00pm (4:00pm in the winter). In the summer, six- to thirteen-year ­olds are taught to play chess by experts provided by the Conservancy. For information call (212) 794-6564.
How: Bring your own chess or checker pieces, or borrow them at the Dairy. To borrow sets, a valid photo i.d. or $20 cash deposit must be left. Sets may be borrowed until 4:00pm and must be returned by 4:30pm.

Conservancy General Information (212) 360-3444
For for the hearing impaired: (800) 281-5722

Ballfields Permits: (212) 408-0226 Conditions: (212) 628-1036 - Great Lawn ext. 806, Hecksher ext. 807, North Meadow ext. 808

Belvedere Castle, The Henry Luce Nature Observatory (212) 772-0210

Carousel (212) 879-0244

The Charles A. Dana Discovery Center (212) 860-1370

The Dairy (212) 794-6564

North Meadow Recreation Center (212) 348-4867
Fishing at Harlem Meer (Catch & Release) (212) 860-1370

Harlem Meer Performance Festival (212) 860-1370

Horseback Riding - Claremont Stables (212) 724-5100

Horse-Drawn Carriages (212) 736-0680

Lawn Sports - Permits: 212 360-8133

Metropolitan Opera - Performances - Great Lawn (212) 362-6000

Model Sailboats - Storage: (212) 360-8133, Rental: (917) 796-1382

Row Boats (at Loeb Boathouse) - (212) 517-2233

Running - New York Road Runners Club - (212) 860-4455

New York Philharmonic - Performances - Great Lawn (212) 875-5709
Shakespeare in the Park - Delacorte at the Public Theater (212) 539-8655
Performance Months: June, July, and August •
Admission: Free
Ticket Distribution Delacorte Theater:
Starts at 1:00pm on the day of the performance
FCFS basis •
Ticket Distribution Astor Place: The Public Theater
also distributes tickets from 1:00-3:00pm
at 425 Lafayette Street, FCFS basis •
Showtime: 8:00pm
(212) 539-8500

Kiting-Sheep meadow, Great lawn. May need to run with Kite.

Skating - Lasker Rink (917) 492-3856

Skating - Wollman Rink (Ice Skating & In-Line Skating) (212) 439-6900

Swedish Cottage Marionette Theater (212) 988-9093

Tennis Courts - (212) 280-0205

Weddings Hotline (212) 360-2766

Wildlife Center (Central Park Zoo) & Tisch Children's Zoo (212) 439-6500
Phone for Sea Lion and pengiun feedings, summer kids shows.

Short descriptive notes for playgrounds.

Wild West Playground -fort Like structures-Small Wading pool.

Safari playground.-hippo's, canoe and nice view.

Spector playground -for tots.

Mariner's Playground-treehouse plus small waterway.

Ancient playground- concrete, sand and ropes.

E 76th playground- concrete, runaround.

E 96th st playground-large, treehouse, sunny.

Group of bears playground-small, quiet.

Diana Ross-playground-sandy, wooden play equipment.

Art Deco Playground-shady.

Billy Johnson Playground-big rock slide.

Hecksher playground-very large, busy, concrete waterways, great sprinklers.

Adventure Playground-treehouse, small waterway. shady.

W67th playground-for tots.

Bendhiem playground-for all abilities. Run-thru hooped sprinklers.

w110th st playground-modern designer equipment.

Lenox ave playground-wood and asphalt.

w100th playground-metal runways, sandy.

rudin playground-quiet, shady.

Excellent free sprinklers in summer at the Natural History Museum next to the planetarium.

View turtles at jetty at Turtle pond.

Don't forget Pale Male's nest @ e74th and 5th.
Seasonal telescope on west side of conservatory lake.


Anway I realise that's a lot of info, but it's the stuff I've gathered over the years to help me make full use of the park and avoid disapointment.

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I've only been to NYC once before, so maybe my perspective can help because of my limited knowledge of the area.

Can you make a locater map?!

The w57th street at the bottom... it confuses me how it is right against the neatline.

Too much variation with your fonts and font sizes. Make sure you use the same fonts and sizes for the same feature type as much as possible, ex: roads.

I actually like most of your icons.

I would get rid of the graticule's.

I would prefer you get rid of the "distance between dots" feature of the map and just use a scale bar. Or just put the distance in (.5 mi) next to the feature label. The ovals (Columbus circle, and full park loop) are the first thing my eyes go to and I don't think they are that important. Either way you need a scale.

hope this helps.

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Seeking feedback on a new 18"x48", 1:4000, Central Park Trail Map I am working on.

Because of its size I have attached the SW corner of the map.

Thanks

Marc



Where can I get a copy of this map? Or another good topographical map of the park?

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You can find good maps of the park here Central Park Bike Rental .
Not sure which Loop you need though...




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